Working parents want more time with their kids. As companies are starting to realize this, flex-time and parental leave options are on the rise. But historically employees who use these perks are viewed as less committed and are less likely to be promoted. It’s a catch-22.

Creating a family-friendly workplace starts from the top-down and it has to be woven into the fabric of your company culture. I spoke with Ula Mikus from Tinybeans about how they’ve managed to create a truly family-friendly workplace that is more than just perks.